Post by Admin on Sept 12, 2008 18:14:51 GMT 10
From: spanner775 (Original Message) Sent: 5/09/2008 6:46 PM
Hi guys,
even though I purchased my Miners right some time ago its only now that I've finally been able to access the list of exempt rivers and streams here in Vic.
I am shocked to realize the number of waterways that are banned, or have I misinterpreted what I have read?
Are there hundreds, including the Big, Goulburn, Yarra, Howqua, Jamieson etc. where prospecting is banned?
Surely not?
Cheers Lou.
From: Banjo520 Sent: 5/09/2008 7:24 PM
True mate! True as can be. James
From: spanner775 Sent: 5/09/2008 8:01 PM
Thanks James,
Wow!
I can still remember driving alongside the Upper Goulburn and seeing dredge after dredge.....
now its illegal to even swirl a pan?
We have lost a lot in a short while, have'nt we?
Makes you wonder why, is its because theres gold there?
Cheers lou.
From: White_Eagle653 Sent: 5/09/2008 9:30 PM
Its not the Gold in the streams, its the Greenies, they are scared you are going to hurt the poor rocks in the streams.
Cheers W/E
From: warrior7071 Sent: 5/09/2008 9:40 PM
i thought the list has been inforced since the 1860s.
From: White_Eagle653 Sent: 5/09/2008 9:42 PM
I don't think so
From: White_Eagle653 Sent: 5/09/2008 9:43 PM
PS.
maybe the reefminer can answer this one???
From: warrior7071 Sent: 5/09/2008 9:47 PM
it seems that they are trying to steer people away from the more traditional type of prospecting with a pan sluice or banjo and focus on metal detecting as the primary means of prospecting in Victoria. As they see the old way as doing more damage to the environment.
From: White_Eagle653 Sent: 5/09/2008 10:13 PM
If these clowns (Greenies)are going to get their way , they will ban prospecting for good
W/E
From: Foolsgold Sent: 5/09/2008 10:46 PM
This is my view on that list.
I'm pretty sure it was created in the late 1800's, and I believe the following is the reason why.
A Miners Right entitled the holder to build a dwelling on the claim, and the purpose of the exempted list, was to prevent the holder from doing such. Probably for reasons of sanitary concerns, or collection of rates, or something along those lines.
Now for Parks Vic. & DSE to be distributing this document around today, is deceitful, despicable, and is one of the main reasons why I have nothing but utter contempt for both institutions.
It is not a document that lists waterways that are closed to prospecting, and anyone who thinks so is being misled. It is simply a document that listed waterways, whereby, the right to build a dwelling under a MR, had been vetoed. It is from a bygone era.
You couldn't possibly think that for the last 100 or so years that prospectors of all persuasions have been breaking the law.
For example, in the 30's, during the depression, government gave the unemployed free tools and paid their passage to gold fields all over the state. And who could forget the halcyon dredging days of the 1980's in the Goulburn & Big Rivers.
I will continue to wash gold from creeks & rivers till the day I die, and so should you. No one, I repeat, no one, will stop me.
Furthermore, prospectors have to give serious thought to who they vote for come election day, because it is government that is slowly but surely eroding our right to prospect.
A certain party does preference deals with the greens every election - need I say more.
I'm passionate about my hobby and a paid up member of the PMAV - you should be too!
From: reefminer Sent: 6/09/2008 7:29 AM
Foolsgold is absolutely right. The exempted streams are exempted from occupation under a Miners Right. The law was put in place in the 1800's and existed up until 1989 when you could register a Miners Right Claim and live on it. I am unsure if the exempted streams act still applies under the MRD act as the Miners Right Claim no longer exists. Lou, did you seek out a copy of the exempted streams document or were you shown/given/told about this by a govt. official? If you were then it may signal a tightening of the laws. I will investigate and advise the group over the next couple of days.
Darren
From: spanner775 Sent: 7/09/2008 7:12 AM
Hi Darren,
I found the list of exempted waters whilst looking through an online DPI site on prospecting.
It came across as a bit vague in its wording ie. it did not state that one must not prospect in exemt waters, hence my seeking clarification here with my original post.
So is the situation now that we can prospect in these waters or has the act been amended since?
Also, with the online two page Miners Right handbook it states that "prospecting is permitted in most state forests etc"
Yet a couple of paragraphs later it states "prospecting is not permitted in state forests etc"
So whats the go with this?
Cheers Lou.
From: reefminer Sent: 7/09/2008 9:09 AM
Lou,
I am unsure of what is going on. I will investigate and let everyone know asap. My understanding is that the exempted rivers and streams was for occupation (living) under a Miners Right by way of a Miners Right Claim which was part of the Mines Act 1958 and was available until the MRD Act of 1990 which replaced the old Act. In no way did the exempt rivers and streams mean you could not prospect. The interpretation of this is unclear and I hope that there is not some sneaky govt. plan to reintroduce the enforcement of the exempted strams act etc. to get us out of the creeks and streams. I do not think so but I will find out in the next day or so through some reliable channels within the DPI. It may just mean that you cannot live on a Mining Licence adjacent to a river or stream.
I will advise as soon as I get an answer.
Darren
Hi guys,
even though I purchased my Miners right some time ago its only now that I've finally been able to access the list of exempt rivers and streams here in Vic.
I am shocked to realize the number of waterways that are banned, or have I misinterpreted what I have read?
Are there hundreds, including the Big, Goulburn, Yarra, Howqua, Jamieson etc. where prospecting is banned?
Surely not?
Cheers Lou.
From: Banjo520 Sent: 5/09/2008 7:24 PM
True mate! True as can be. James
From: spanner775 Sent: 5/09/2008 8:01 PM
Thanks James,
Wow!
I can still remember driving alongside the Upper Goulburn and seeing dredge after dredge.....
now its illegal to even swirl a pan?
We have lost a lot in a short while, have'nt we?
Makes you wonder why, is its because theres gold there?
Cheers lou.
From: White_Eagle653 Sent: 5/09/2008 9:30 PM
Its not the Gold in the streams, its the Greenies, they are scared you are going to hurt the poor rocks in the streams.
Cheers W/E
From: warrior7071 Sent: 5/09/2008 9:40 PM
i thought the list has been inforced since the 1860s.
From: White_Eagle653 Sent: 5/09/2008 9:42 PM
I don't think so
From: White_Eagle653 Sent: 5/09/2008 9:43 PM
PS.
maybe the reefminer can answer this one???
From: warrior7071 Sent: 5/09/2008 9:47 PM
it seems that they are trying to steer people away from the more traditional type of prospecting with a pan sluice or banjo and focus on metal detecting as the primary means of prospecting in Victoria. As they see the old way as doing more damage to the environment.
From: White_Eagle653 Sent: 5/09/2008 10:13 PM
If these clowns (Greenies)are going to get their way , they will ban prospecting for good
W/E
From: Foolsgold Sent: 5/09/2008 10:46 PM
This is my view on that list.
I'm pretty sure it was created in the late 1800's, and I believe the following is the reason why.
A Miners Right entitled the holder to build a dwelling on the claim, and the purpose of the exempted list, was to prevent the holder from doing such. Probably for reasons of sanitary concerns, or collection of rates, or something along those lines.
Now for Parks Vic. & DSE to be distributing this document around today, is deceitful, despicable, and is one of the main reasons why I have nothing but utter contempt for both institutions.
It is not a document that lists waterways that are closed to prospecting, and anyone who thinks so is being misled. It is simply a document that listed waterways, whereby, the right to build a dwelling under a MR, had been vetoed. It is from a bygone era.
You couldn't possibly think that for the last 100 or so years that prospectors of all persuasions have been breaking the law.
For example, in the 30's, during the depression, government gave the unemployed free tools and paid their passage to gold fields all over the state. And who could forget the halcyon dredging days of the 1980's in the Goulburn & Big Rivers.
I will continue to wash gold from creeks & rivers till the day I die, and so should you. No one, I repeat, no one, will stop me.
Furthermore, prospectors have to give serious thought to who they vote for come election day, because it is government that is slowly but surely eroding our right to prospect.
A certain party does preference deals with the greens every election - need I say more.
I'm passionate about my hobby and a paid up member of the PMAV - you should be too!
From: reefminer Sent: 6/09/2008 7:29 AM
Foolsgold is absolutely right. The exempted streams are exempted from occupation under a Miners Right. The law was put in place in the 1800's and existed up until 1989 when you could register a Miners Right Claim and live on it. I am unsure if the exempted streams act still applies under the MRD act as the Miners Right Claim no longer exists. Lou, did you seek out a copy of the exempted streams document or were you shown/given/told about this by a govt. official? If you were then it may signal a tightening of the laws. I will investigate and advise the group over the next couple of days.
Darren
From: spanner775 Sent: 7/09/2008 7:12 AM
Hi Darren,
I found the list of exempted waters whilst looking through an online DPI site on prospecting.
It came across as a bit vague in its wording ie. it did not state that one must not prospect in exemt waters, hence my seeking clarification here with my original post.
So is the situation now that we can prospect in these waters or has the act been amended since?
Also, with the online two page Miners Right handbook it states that "prospecting is permitted in most state forests etc"
Yet a couple of paragraphs later it states "prospecting is not permitted in state forests etc"
So whats the go with this?
Cheers Lou.
From: reefminer Sent: 7/09/2008 9:09 AM
Lou,
I am unsure of what is going on. I will investigate and let everyone know asap. My understanding is that the exempted rivers and streams was for occupation (living) under a Miners Right by way of a Miners Right Claim which was part of the Mines Act 1958 and was available until the MRD Act of 1990 which replaced the old Act. In no way did the exempt rivers and streams mean you could not prospect. The interpretation of this is unclear and I hope that there is not some sneaky govt. plan to reintroduce the enforcement of the exempted strams act etc. to get us out of the creeks and streams. I do not think so but I will find out in the next day or so through some reliable channels within the DPI. It may just mean that you cannot live on a Mining Licence adjacent to a river or stream.
I will advise as soon as I get an answer.
Darren
