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Post by rustydog on Jul 11, 2011 22:44:28 GMT 10
not sure if this is know or been put on here i found this idea on the web , costs me about $50 to make and it works great for getting gold out of crevices. you can either suck it out or blow water into the crevice to push the gold out.  if you need any more info just ask as i thought this mite be useful some one , i know i use it a fair bit in creeks |
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Post by nugget893 on Jul 11, 2011 23:04:32 GMT 10
Fellows just a reminder that these sort of sucker units are classified as illegal in most states of Australia. They come under mechanical aids and not to be used. It is because of the moving part of the plunger. Silly I know but that is the law. This is nothing personal to you Rustydog just letting everyone know that's all. If you get caught by a Ranger you could be in big strife.
Wombat
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Post by rustydog on Jul 11, 2011 23:08:01 GMT 10
hmmm not saying your wrong but i was told its legal in victoria as it is not mechanical driven
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Post by Ric on Jul 12, 2011 8:22:51 GMT 10
You were just pumping YABBIES for bait  ;D |
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Post by jarrahrules on Jul 12, 2011 9:49:33 GMT 10
hmmm not saying your wrong but i was told its legal in victoria as it is not mechanical driven Hi Rustygog. I have been asked for my miners right fro a ranger while using one of those and he didn't even care. Also mst people around here use them and no one has said they are illegal. I also under stand that it is driven by you pushing the plunger not a machine. Not trying to upset anyone here just my two bobs worth. Jamie ;D ;D |
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Post by nugget893 on Jul 12, 2011 10:24:53 GMT 10
Jamie I could not agree with you more, but some Rangers look at it as the plunger slides up and down the cylinder that when creates a suction that picks up the gold wash. Middley you are working it by hand. It has moving parts. It is a very fine line, but as said by Gentleman Grandpa it is up to the Ranger on the day.
Nugget893
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Post by Andy on Jul 12, 2011 18:46:04 GMT 10
You don't want the rangers that patrol around my area see you using one. I asked them a few years ago about using one of these, & without consulting the rule book or phoning any other dept, they said...No. Sorry, they are not allowed to be used.
When I asked why, they didn't hesitate to state it has moving parts (the plunger) so it is not non mechanical, which is the dictionary definition also.
Where is my area these rangers patrol? Upper northwestern corner of the Golden Triangle (class that as around Wedderburn, Inglewood, down to Tarnagulla etc), over to St Arnaud & down to Stuart Mill & Redbank on the way to Avoca.
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Post by mallee00 on Jul 12, 2011 22:51:34 GMT 10
Check item no 32 in the DPIs Miners Right guide,, gravels for processing that has been excavated using "hand held" equipment, i believe this would cover the sucker tool and items like hand operated post hole diggers. This guide never mentions the term mechanical. Mallee00
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Post by Andy on Jul 13, 2011 8:52:34 GMT 10
Check item no 32 in the DPIs Miners Right guide,, gravels for processing that has been excavated using "hand held" equipment, i believe this would cover the sucker tool and items like hand operated post hole diggers. This guide never mentions the term mechanical. Mallee00 58. OBLIGATIONS OF HOLDER (1) The holder of a miner’s right acting under that right must not - (a) use any equipment for the purposes of excavation on the land, other than non-mechanical hand tools; or (b) use explosives on the land; or (c) remove or damage any tree or shrub on the land; or (c) disturb any Aboriginal place or Aboriginal object on the land. Penalty: 100 penalty units. (2) The holder of a Miner’s Right must repair any damage to the land arising out of the search: Penalty: 50 penalty units. (3) The holder of a miner’s right must produce the miner’s right for inspection if asked to do so by an inspector or any person acting under a delegation conferred under section 91. |
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Post by mallee00 on Jul 13, 2011 14:42:15 GMT 10
I have a ruling from the DPI department that handles prospecting and Miners rights, the sucker pump is legal as it is hand held and not deemed mechanical. I have the gentlemans name and direct phone number at the department which i will carry with me and also the call i made was recorded. The gentleman was aware of exactly what my enquiry was about and even likened the thing to a bait pump so there is no confusion as to what it is and how it operates, he also agreed that a sucker pump would have less impact on the enviroment than a pick and shovel would. Not trying to argue with anyone but needed a clarification on this matter. mallee00
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Post by nugget893 on Jul 13, 2011 16:27:33 GMT 10
Mallee00 thats great that you have it as we may all need the blokes number one day if we have trouble with the Rangers. As I and Grandpa said in an early post " it is a fine line and up to the Ranger on the day"  So "PLEASE" don't loose the number. ;D Cheers Nugget893 |
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Post by goldgold on Jul 16, 2011 10:21:48 GMT 10
i you tell them you are getting yabbies you will get a fine for sure, honesty and a bit of luck these guys are pretty clever so if they see you are bullcrapping they will think your making an idiot of them.
Sir i realise its mech driven and its a very fine line but im just trying to make a buck i lost my job!!!!. much better hey if we complied to all the rules we would be right where the polititions want us.
Under the thumb!!!!
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Post by kimmy on Jul 16, 2011 19:16:13 GMT 10
Hi Rustydog,
Legalities aside, may I please ask what it is that you use as the disk within the piston that creates the suction?
Kimmy
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Post by monkey on Jul 16, 2011 20:56:37 GMT 10
Hi kimmy
that unit comes complete, with a O ring type seal on the plunger. I have one of my own, I fitted mine with some plumping fitings to get into the crevices. you can buy the pump from any bait an tackel shop or online they are called a bait pump/yabby pump/sand pump and any other name the locals may call them. I got my one from a local sunday market $5. it looks like rustydog has used some rubber hose an hose clamps to hold a vacume fitting on the end, Good idea. I myself like to be able to take the end off easly when they block up some times
hope this helps
Allan
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Post by rustydog on Jul 16, 2011 23:12:00 GMT 10
the clamp is only to hold the rubber hose tot he pump , i can swap attachments quite quickly as all i do is pull one out and slide the other in , snug fit no hassels
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So "PLEASE" don't loose the number. ;D