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Post by nugget893 on Feb 16, 2012 9:11:41 GMT 10
Hi Ric, I would support the future “Australian Prospecting Society” with well structured Code of Ethics and Code of Conduct that would benefit all members in recreational activities, development, support, networking, rewards, recognition and that can influence a political party in making fair policies. I don’t see how introducing licensing can have any benefits/value to a prospector. Rules are already established and this would be another gov. revenue raising/policing and misusing of funds. There has to be a separation between “miner” and a “prospector” in your poll as they are governed by two separate laws. Cheers, Joe Hi Joe I do agree with most of your comments. But the part that I don't agree with is were you state that "I do'nt see how introducing licensing can have any benefits/value to a prospector. Rules are already established and this would be another gov. revenue raising/policing and misusing of funds." The Victorian Gov. tried to get us Vic Prospectors to give up our "Miners Rights" and told us we will not need them but still could go out and detect as like in other States of Australia. But we had seen what restriction that were put on the other prospectors in other States as soon as there Miners Rights were taken away, and we did not want that happening here. We have now got a 10yr Miners Right and STILL have a vote and a say in what happens on our Gold Fields, thanks to the PMAV. So get your "Miners Right" back and get your say back. Nugget893
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Post by joedigs on Feb 16, 2012 10:03:46 GMT 10
Thanks Nugget893, Being a member of PMAV costs $50.00 per annum. Well worth the investment for your rights/benefits and I support it because the funds are serving its members.(non-profit organization) A license on the other hand issued by gov. entity is a revenue raiser just like a fishing license - am I better off than before they introduced fishing licenses? I have not notice any difference other than it costs $30/annum and I have to have one if I want to fish. So if a permit is required to prospect, then I’ll get one to comply with the regulations - but that does not give me any more rights than I have now nor it gives me any rights to change any policies or regulations that are already set. I do understand where you are coming from Cheers, Joe
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Post by nugget893 on Feb 16, 2012 12:52:14 GMT 10
Joe in this state Vic. you also need a fishing license but as soon as you reach 60yrs and apply for a "Seniors Card" you no longer require a license and I can still fish Sometimes age doe's have some benefits ;D ;D Nugget893
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Post by shivan on Feb 16, 2012 14:38:56 GMT 10
I may be going off topic here a bit so bear with me ;D I used to enjoy fishing allthough i was no fishing enthusiast. I used to go out maybe 6 times a year and that was only if i was lucky normally alot less. The introduction of the fishing license in NSW actually stopped me going out all together. I bought 2 licenses for 2 years running then realised that for the 50-60 dollers i spent o only went out once, and decided for me it was a waste of time and money, now the rods just sit in the garage allmost ready for the tip For me personally the fishing license did nothing but end my occasional trip out for a fish, i got no exta rights just a bunch of regulations. Iam sure it affected others differently and maybe some actually got some sort of benifit out of it Iam still relativly new to all this but to me miners rights should mean more than just having to pay to enjoy our hobby it should mean that we have certain rights to be able to go about our hobby and have a say if anything is trying to be changed in the laws/rules. At the moment at least in NSW we have nothing from what i have seen and are at the whim of groups that have no clue about our hobby.
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Post by madtuna on Feb 16, 2012 14:53:13 GMT 10
Iam still relativly new to all this but to me miners rights should mean more than just having to pay to enjoy our hobby it should mean that we have certain rights to be able to go about our hobby and have a say if anything is trying to be changed in the laws/rules. At the moment at least in NSW we have nothing from what i have seen and are at the whim of groups that have no clue about our hobby. you nailed it right there!
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Post by jeffu on Feb 16, 2012 14:54:14 GMT 10
Come on folks, a NSW miners right has to be a good thing for us ALL. I noticed that 246 people have viewed this post and yet ONLY 24 people have bothered to vote. Am I missing something here or don't most of you care.
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Post by shivan on Feb 16, 2012 15:23:28 GMT 10
I was alittle supprised by the numbers as well But with the 246 views i think about 40 or so of those are mine Surly we have a few more people who have an opinion one way or the other, being from NSW or not. Maybe it just needs a bit more time so the people who dont pop in every second day can have their say (guess i just spend a bit too much time here )
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Post by nugget893 on Feb 16, 2012 15:44:55 GMT 10
I'm sorry to say that's human nature, "A majority always leaves it up to a minority" But the the majority will then complain that nobody did anything before it became to late. That is why we have a lot of lookers and hardly any doer's. If voting in this country was not compulsory you may only get one or possibly two thirds of people voting. Nugget893
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Post by joedigs on Feb 16, 2012 15:48:19 GMT 10
Sorry guys, I’m only new here my vote goes towards miners/ fossickers rights for sure. I have voted “yes” not sure if that means anything here though. Thanks
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Post by donnybrook on Feb 18, 2012 9:21:43 GMT 10
I'm sorry to say that's human nature, "A majority always leaves it up to a minority" But the the majority will then complain that nobody did anything before it became to late. That is why we have a lot of lookers and hardly any doer's. If voting in this country was not compulsory you may only get one or possibly two thirds of people voting. Nugget893 You are spot on Nuggett. I have worked for the community for about 35 years. One example in Braidwood was the placement of school bus stop safety signs. A child was nearly killed by someone who thought they were driving on a quite country road. I approached both schools and Council to have my road signposted and when it was heard Council were going to do it everyone then jumped on the so called bandwagon. Unlike the "Ides of March" when advice by Caesar was ignored if we lose our rights and don't belong to a stronger National Group or at least come under their umbrella we might see men and women before the courts. It will be too late then. donnybrook
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Post by Ric on Feb 18, 2012 11:27:56 GMT 10
I'm sorry to say that's human nature, "A majority always leaves it up to a minority" But the the majority will then complain that nobody did anything before it became to late. That is why we have a lot of lookers and hardly any doer's. If voting in this country was not compulsory you may only get one or possibly two thirds of people voting. Nugget893 G'day Nugget The amount of views is just the amount of times the topic has been clicked on. Like Shivan I probably account for 30+ of those views too. I put this poll up just to gauge how people felt and it is successfully doing that. This is just information gathering. Even with around 30 votes it is clear that the majority of people who have read this would be happy to pay a permit fee of some description. This in turn down the track would make us "stakeholders" and therefore gives us some right and authority to be heard, make comment and put forward suggestions.
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Post by Ric on Feb 18, 2012 11:33:58 GMT 10
Sorry guys, I’m only new here my vote goes towards miners/ fossickers rights for sure. I have voted “yes” not sure if that means anything here though. Thanks Hi Joe As I mention in my reply above. The poll is just to get an idea if it would be welcomed. Yes it all matters and counts and your vote most definately means something because this little poll amongst ourselves at least encourages us to progress further knowing that most are supportive. Ric
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Post by joedigs on Feb 18, 2012 20:45:03 GMT 10
**Agree**- Certainly forums like this one joins with forum like (ALF) , 2000+ members 80-90% Australian and each local club and its members 5000+. All we need is a DRIVER that can talk to all the clubs and other forums and a place to host the virtual polling booths (based on locations) and start developing policies/rights that will be pushed to politicians for acceptance (or they will not get our votes when it comes to federal or state or local elections). If other nonprofit organizations and clubs such as fishing/shooting/4WD’s/ join the numbers could be 1000’s.
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Post by nugget893 on Feb 20, 2012 14:06:22 GMT 10
I have just spoken by phone to the President of the PMAV, Rita Bentley and she is willing to send me some guide lines in regards for others to form an Association like the PMAV and what will be required to do this to deal with issues of their state. As soon as I get her reply I will post it up on the site
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Post by Tassie DAZ on Feb 20, 2012 14:37:55 GMT 10
Ric, There seems good argument for both sides but if the Hobbyist is included in the vast definition encompassing ALL forms of "mining and prospecting" then I think thats unfair. Those of us who go out and wave a detector around a bit, and sometimes find small specks, I dont think should be regarded in the same way as larger more organised outfits. So perhaps different rates for licensing should apply to different types of fossicking eg. Panning and detecting, sluicing and highbanking, for it seems to me that its more likely that more comes out of a sluice or highbanker, than one pan or sweep of the detector at a time. And I suspect that anyone outside of the hobby doesnt understand the different definitions anyway. What would a miners right, give one the right to do or achieve anyway ? What do you think ?
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